{"id":3906,"date":"2025-06-21T12:40:17","date_gmt":"2025-06-21T12:40:17","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/grow24.us\/?p=3906"},"modified":"2025-06-21T12:40:17","modified_gmt":"2025-06-21T12:40:17","slug":"youre-our-hope-well-rise-again-joan-baez-84-clutched-bruce-springsteen-75-whispering-americas-hurting-but-your-voice-heals-us-b","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/grow24.us\/?p=3906","title":{"rendered":"\u201cYou\u2019re our hope! WE\u2019LL RISE AGAIN! \u201d Joan Baez, 84, clutched Bruce Springsteen, 75, whispering, \u201cAmerica\u2019s hurting, but your voice heals us,\u201d before their heart-piercing The Ghost of Tom Joad and We Shall Overcome duet at a June 15, 2025, Lincoln Memorial rally for justice! Their voices, raw with decades of fight, joined a gospel choir, moving 50,000 candlelit souls to tears in a plea for love over hate. \u201cThis is our stand!\u201d Baez cried, as X blazed with #SpringsteenBaezUnity"},"content":{"rendered":"<h1 data-start=\"190\" data-end=\"295\"><em data-start=\"192\" data-end=\"295\">\u201cA Rebel Queen Stands with The Boss\u201d: Joan Baez and Bruce Springsteen Ignite Hope at Lincoln Memorial<\/em><\/h1>\n<div class=\"code-block code-block-3\"><\/div>\n<p data-start=\"297\" data-end=\"707\">It was a scene that could have come straight from the pages of American history \u2014 and yet, it unfolded in real time, with a rawness that left the nation trembling. Beneath the solemn gaze of Abraham Lincoln\u2019s statue, two voices of resistance,\u00a0<strong data-start=\"540\" data-end=\"553\">Joan Baez<\/strong>\u00a0and\u00a0<strong data-start=\"558\" data-end=\"579\">Bruce Springsteen<\/strong>, came together for an unforgettable moment that pierced through political noise and reached straight into the heart of America.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"297\" data-end=\"707\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/videos.openai.com\/vg-assets\/assets%2Ftask_01jxxvr3cxe78bnzwasxssqfsp%2F1750127725_img_0.webp?st=2025-06-17T00%3A51%3A22Z&amp;se=2025-06-23T01%3A51%3A22Z&amp;sks=b&amp;skt=2025-06-17T00%3A51%3A22Z&amp;ske=2025-06-23T01%3A51%3A22Z&amp;sktid=a48cca56-e6da-484e-a814-9c849652bcb3&amp;skoid=8ebb0df1-a278-4e2e-9c20-f2d373479b3a&amp;skv=2019-02-02&amp;sv=2018-11-09&amp;sr=b&amp;sp=r&amp;spr=https%2Chttp&amp;sig=HhsdUFK%2F6QMLpZCUqbzgHKBYwx2Y%2FLar97Fo5rcK2rs%3D&amp;az=oaivgprodscus\" alt=\"Generated image\" width=\"921\" height=\"614\" \/><\/p>\n<div class=\"code-block code-block-4\"><\/div>\n<p data-start=\"709\" data-end=\"1039\">The event, titled\u00a0<em data-start=\"727\" data-end=\"750\">\u201cVoices for America,\u201d<\/em>\u00a0was no ordinary concert. It was a call \u2014 a cry \u2014 for unity, justice, and moral courage in a country grappling with division. And as dusk fell over Washington, D.C., thousands gathered at the\u00a0<strong data-start=\"942\" data-end=\"962\">Lincoln Memorial<\/strong>, holding candles, handmade signs, and hope that their voices still mattered.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"1041\" data-end=\"1233\">As Bruce Springsteen strummed the haunting opening chords of\u00a0<em data-start=\"1102\" data-end=\"1128\">\u201cThe Ghost of Tom Joad,\u201d<\/em>\u00a0the crowd fell into a reverent hush. His voice \u2014 gravelly, urgent, unmistakable \u2014 began to fill the air:<\/p>\n<div class=\"code-block code-block-5\"><\/div>\n<blockquote data-start=\"1235\" data-end=\"1320\">\n<p data-start=\"1237\" data-end=\"1320\"><em data-start=\"1237\" data-end=\"1320\">\u201cMen walkin\u2019 \u2018long the railroad tracks \/ Goin\u2019 someplace, there\u2019s no goin\u2019 back\u2026\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p data-start=\"1322\" data-end=\"1557\">And then, out of the shadows,\u00a0<strong data-start=\"1352\" data-end=\"1365\">Joan Baez<\/strong>\u00a0emerged. Dressed in black, with silver hair glinting under the lights and fire in her eyes, she approached Bruce slowly. The music paused. The audience seemed to collectively hold its breath.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"1559\" data-end=\"1713\">Without a word, Baez wrapped her arms around Springsteen in a fierce, almost maternal hug. Microphones caught her soft but shaking voice as she whispered:<\/p>\n<div class=\"code-block code-block-6\"><\/div>\n<blockquote data-start=\"1715\" data-end=\"1864\">\n<p data-start=\"1717\" data-end=\"1864\"><em data-start=\"1717\" data-end=\"1864\">\u201cI have to be here. America is becoming a terrible country \u2014 but your voice still gives us hope. The Boss has a rebel queen by his side tonight.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n<p data-start=\"1717\" data-end=\"1864\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"YouTube video player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/nM39QUiAsoM?si=Xj__iHwx1JY_c_Q6\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\" data-mce-fragment=\"1\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p data-start=\"1866\" data-end=\"2022\">The crowd erupted. Cheers turned into tears. For many, it felt like a torch being passed \u2014 or perhaps rekindled \u2014 from one generation of protest to another.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"2024\" data-end=\"2399\">Joan Baez has never been a stranger to resistance. From marching with Martin Luther King Jr. to defying war and injustice through her music, she has stood on the frontlines of conscience for over six decades. And Bruce \u2014 with his gravel-voiced poetry of working-class struggle \u2014 has long been the voice of America\u2019s silent majority: weary but proud, bruised but never broken.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"2401\" data-end=\"2427\">That night, they were one.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"2429\" data-end=\"2688\">They launched back into\u00a0<em data-start=\"2453\" data-end=\"2478\">\u201cThe Ghost of Tom Joad\u201d<\/em>\u00a0\u2014 now a duet, now an anthem \u2014 with Bruce on guitar and Joan harmonizing with a voice that still held the quiet strength of every movement she ever stood for. Together, they resurrected the ghost of resistance.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"2429\" data-end=\"2688\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"YouTube video player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/KmLf6I6LMCI?si=HtEGZjR6Q_VgkfRl\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\" data-mce-fragment=\"1\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p data-start=\"2690\" data-end=\"2743\">And then came a silence more powerful than any sound.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"2745\" data-end=\"2884\">Joan Baez stepped forward again. She looked out at the sea of faces \u2014 young and old, Black and white, immigrant and native-born \u2014 and said:<\/p>\n<blockquote data-start=\"2886\" data-end=\"3088\">\n<p data-start=\"2888\" data-end=\"3088\"><em data-start=\"2888\" data-end=\"3088\">\u201cI\u2019ve sung this song in churches and jails. I\u2019ve sung it for Dr. King and Cesar Chavez. But tonight, I sing it because I\u2019m scared \u2014 and because I still believe in the power of love and nonviolence.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p data-start=\"3090\" data-end=\"3159\">She began to sing:\u00a0<em data-start=\"3109\" data-end=\"3159\">\u201cWe shall overcome\u2026 we shall overcome\u2026 someday\u2026\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n<p data-start=\"3090\" data-end=\"3159\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/videos.openai.com\/vg-assets\/assets%2Ftask_01jxxvr3cxe78bnzwasxssqfsp%2F1750127725_img_1.webp?st=2025-06-17T00%3A51%3A22Z&amp;se=2025-06-23T01%3A51%3A22Z&amp;sks=b&amp;skt=2025-06-17T00%3A51%3A22Z&amp;ske=2025-06-23T01%3A51%3A22Z&amp;sktid=a48cca56-e6da-484e-a814-9c849652bcb3&amp;skoid=8ebb0df1-a278-4e2e-9c20-f2d373479b3a&amp;skv=2019-02-02&amp;sv=2018-11-09&amp;sr=b&amp;sp=r&amp;spr=https%2Chttp&amp;sig=NbuslCeIK80Wpo%2BSXhvebfRDEv44l%2Bf7oQFeOJXFbLA%3D&amp;az=oaivgprodscus\" alt=\"Generated image\" width=\"972\" height=\"648\" \/><\/p>\n<p data-start=\"3161\" data-end=\"3276\">Bruce picked up his harmonica, the crowd joined in, and for a few minutes, the entire nation seemed to stand still.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"3278\" data-end=\"3427\">Cameras flashed. Children climbed onto their parents\u2019 shoulders. An elderly man in a Vietnam vet jacket saluted with tears streaming down his cheeks.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"3429\" data-end=\"3496\">People weren\u2019t just singing. They were remembering. And reclaiming.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"3498\" data-end=\"3698\">The performance felt like a prayer and a protest all at once \u2014 not against one man, one policy, or one election, but against the creeping numbness that had settled into the soul of a troubled country.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"3700\" data-end=\"3763\">Backstage, Joan and Bruce didn\u2019t say much. They didn\u2019t need to.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"3700\" data-end=\"3763\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"YouTube video player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/n-mq0uJ7rlM?si=eEfFh5tfnO39n7Ms\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\" data-mce-fragment=\"1\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p data-start=\"3765\" data-end=\"3854\">He handed her his guitar pick. She handed him a peace sign pendant she\u2019d worn since 1968.<\/p>\n<blockquote data-start=\"3856\" data-end=\"3887\">\n<p data-start=\"3858\" data-end=\"3887\"><em data-start=\"3858\" data-end=\"3873\">\u201cKeep going,\u201d<\/em>\u00a0she told him.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<blockquote data-start=\"3889\" data-end=\"3922\">\n<p data-start=\"3891\" data-end=\"3922\"><em data-start=\"3891\" data-end=\"3902\">\u201cI will,\u201d<\/em>\u00a0he replied, simply.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p data-start=\"3924\" data-end=\"3963\">That night, the headlines would scream:<\/p>\n<blockquote data-start=\"3965\" data-end=\"4156\">\n<p data-start=\"3967\" data-end=\"4156\">\u201c<strong data-start=\"3968\" data-end=\"4055\">Joan Baez and Bruce Springsteen Reignite the Spirit of Protest at Lincoln Memorial.<\/strong>\u201d<br data-start=\"4056\" data-end=\"4059\" \/>\u201c<strong data-start=\"4062\" data-end=\"4155\">\u2018The Boss Has a Rebel Queen\u2019: Baez\u2019s Hug Steals the Show at \u2018Voices for America\u2019 Concert.<\/strong>\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p data-start=\"4158\" data-end=\"4408\">But for the people who stood there \u2014 who cried and sang and believed \u2014 it wasn\u2019t about headlines. It was about healing. It was about remembering that truth still matters, that compassion is not weakness, and that music can still be a weapon for good.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"4410\" data-end=\"4523\">For one night, Joan Baez and Bruce Springsteen reminded us who we are \u2014 and who we still have a chance to become.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"4410\" data-end=\"4523\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"YouTube video player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/n-YQPhOKSss?si=bqMHjJ2F65KKcQ-j\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\" data-mce-fragment=\"1\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<hr data-start=\"4525\" data-end=\"4528\" \/>\n<h3 data-start=\"4530\" data-end=\"4584\">\ud83c\udfb8\u00a0<em data-start=\"4537\" data-end=\"4583\">Setlist Highlights from \u201cVoices for America\u201d<\/em>:<\/h3>\n<ol data-start=\"4586\" data-end=\"4912\">\n<li data-start=\"4586\" data-end=\"4652\">\n<p data-start=\"4589\" data-end=\"4652\"><strong data-start=\"4589\" data-end=\"4616\">\u201cThe Ghost of Tom Joad\u201d<\/strong>\u00a0\u2013 Bruce Springsteen ft. Joan Baez<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<li data-start=\"4653\" data-end=\"4729\">\n<p data-start=\"4656\" data-end=\"4729\"><strong data-start=\"4656\" data-end=\"4679\">\u201cWe Shall Overcome\u201d<\/strong>\u00a0\u2013 Led by Joan Baez, with audience participation<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<li data-start=\"4730\" data-end=\"4813\">\n<p data-start=\"4733\" data-end=\"4813\"><strong data-start=\"4733\" data-end=\"4761\">\u201cThis Land Is Your Land\u201d<\/strong>\u00a0\u2013 All artists on stage, including surprise guests<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<li data-start=\"4814\" data-end=\"4912\">\n<p data-start=\"4817\" data-end=\"4912\"><strong data-start=\"4817\" data-end=\"4841\">\u201cBorn in the U.S.A.\u201d<\/strong>\u00a0(acoustic) \u2013 Bruce Springsteen, closing the night with a defiant twist<\/p>\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<hr data-start=\"4914\" data-end=\"4917\" \/>\n<h3 data-start=\"4919\" data-end=\"4946\">\ud83d\udcac Social Media Erupts:<\/h3>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/videos.openai.com\/vg-assets\/assets%2Ftask_01jxxvfdqrfwd8warxzx5w20ht%2F1750127454_img_0.webp?st=2025-06-17T00%3A50%3A12Z&amp;se=2025-06-23T01%3A50%3A12Z&amp;sks=b&amp;skt=2025-06-17T00%3A50%3A12Z&amp;ske=2025-06-23T01%3A50%3A12Z&amp;sktid=a48cca56-e6da-484e-a814-9c849652bcb3&amp;skoid=8ebb0df1-a278-4e2e-9c20-f2d373479b3a&amp;skv=2019-02-02&amp;sv=2018-11-09&amp;sr=b&amp;sp=r&amp;spr=https%2Chttp&amp;sig=XdD7UUTgW4AV16JIc3sKtUbMSoW%2BXqR84XWtd58JJx4%3D&amp;az=oaivgprodscus\" alt=\"Generated image\" width=\"924\" height=\"616\" \/><\/p>\n<blockquote data-start=\"4948\" data-end=\"5187\">\n<p data-start=\"4950\" data-end=\"5187\">\u201cI cried. Joan Baez hugging Springsteen\u2026 that\u2019s America to me.\u201d \u2014 @truthoverfear<br data-start=\"5030\" data-end=\"5033\" \/>\u201cShe called herself \u2018The Rebel Queen\u2019 and we BELIEVE her. Long live the Queen.\u201d \u2014 @libertyrocks<br data-start=\"5130\" data-end=\"5133\" \/>\u201cThis is what democracy sounds like.\u201d \u2014 @activistmom<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<hr data-start=\"5189\" data-end=\"5192\" \/>\n<p data-start=\"5194\" data-end=\"5293\">As candles flickered out and the crowd slowly dispersed into the D.C. night, one thing was certain:<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"5295\" data-end=\"5425\">The fight for the soul of America is far from over \u2014 but as long as voices like Joan\u2019s and Bruce\u2019s sing out, there is still light.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"5427\" data-end=\"5493\">And as the rebel queen whispered to The Boss, there is still hope.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"5427\" data-end=\"5493\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"YouTube video player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/q7gT7kRSH4c?si=v3e9pYEiRNQPIBHf\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\" data-mce-fragment=\"1\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<article id=\"post-1235359143\" class=\"featured-article-wrapper lrv-u-flex@desktop\">\n<div class=\"a-featured-article a-featured-article-grid\">\n<header class=\"a-featured-article-grid__header lrv-u-padding-a-1 lrv-u-padding-b-050@mobile-max lrv-u-padding-t-075@desktop lrv-u-padding-b-025@desktop lrv-u-padding-lr-2@desktop lrv-u-padding-t-150@mobile-max lrv-u-padding-b-00@mobile-max\">\n<h1 class=\"article-title larva \/\/ a-font-theme-primary-xxl lrv-u-padding-b-025 lrv-u-text-align-center lrv-u-padding-b-075@mobile-max lrv-u-text-transform-uppercase\">Joan Baez on America Under Trump: \u2018It Feels Like Torn Fabric\u2019<\/h1>\n<div class=\"article-excerpt larva \/\/ lrv-a-font-secondary-xl lrv-u-padding-b-125 lrv-u-text-align-center lrv-u-padding-b-075@mobile-max u-max-width-676 lrv-u-margin-l-auto lrv-u-margin-r-auto u-padding-lr-175@tablet u-padding-lr-175@mobile-max\">The folk singer and social activist on the reasons protesting has gotten \u201cdangerous,\u201d why it\u2019s essential to still show up, and what she felt seeing\u00a0<em>A Complete Unknown<\/em>\u00a0for the first time<\/div>\n<\/header>\n<div class=\"lrv-u-position-relative\">\n<div class=\"a-featured-article-grid__content a-featured-article-image-offsets box\">\n<div class=\"a-content a-featured-article-image-offsets lrv-u-font-family-body lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-u-font-size-18 u-margin-t-0@mobile-max js-Endmark \">\n<div class=\"pmc-paywall\">\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \"><span class=\"a-style-intro lrv-a-floated-left lrv-u-display-inline-block lrv-u-margin-r-050 u-margin-b-n025\"><span class=\"a-font-theme-primary lrv-u-align-items-center lrv-u-flex lrv-u-height-100p lrv-u-justify-content-center lrv-u-width-100p u-font-size-150 u-font-size-104@mobile-max u-line-height-124 u-line-height-94@mobile-max\">P<\/span><\/span>ull into the tree-cloaked driveway of\u00a0Joan Baez\u2019s home south of San Francisco and roam around her house and the first thing you\u2019ll notice are oversize portraits she\u2019s painted of Volodymyr Zelensky, Martin Luther King Jr., Anthony Fauci, Gandhi, and the late congressman John Lewis. For years, Baez would display two at a time in her front yard, but now they lean forlornly on a porch.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \">\u201cJust after Trump got elected [last fall], somebody tattled to somebody in the city, who says, \u2018Does she have permits?\u2019\u201d Baez says. \u201cIt was clearly a snitchy kind of thing.\u201d While one of her friends cut the paintings down, Baez went into the tree house in her front yard and blasted recordings by soprano opera singer Ren\u00e9e Fleming. \u201cIt was my way of civil disobedience,\u201d she says with a mischievous grin. \u201cJust to do something.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \">For decades in the public eye, Baez has been doing something in the name of music, social justice, and civil rights. She\u2019s been lionized, condemned (even sometimes by the left), mocked, dismissed, revered, and occasionally rediscovered. That part of her life seemed to start winding down six years ago, when Baez wrapped up a farewell tour that, she insists, is genuinely final.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/upload.wikimedia.org\/wikipedia\/commons\/4\/4d\/Joan_Baez_at_The_Egg_%28Albany%2C_NY%29%2C_March_2016_%28cropped%29.jpg\" alt=\"Joan Baez - Wikipedia\" \/><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \" data-gtm-vis-recent-on-screen9326027_26=\"5037\" data-gtm-vis-first-on-screen9326027_26=\"5037\" data-gtm-vis-total-visible-time9326027_26=\"100\" data-gtm-vis-has-fired9326027_26=\"1\">At that point, Baez, now 84, entered what should have been her chill-out years, devoted to painting and writing poetry, dancing daily around her property to the Gipsy Kings, and spending time in the rambling, funky-but-chic house where she\u2019s lived for 55 years.\u00a0The place currently has 13 chickens that roam its grounds, provide her with fresh eggs and, now and then, wander into her kitchen to peck away at some cat food. \u201cNow, I also get to paint my nails,\u201d Baez says, wriggling her hand to reveal aqua-blue fingernails.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/unionavenue706.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/hqdefault-1.jpg\" alt=\"S\u1ee9c m\u1ea1nh c\u1ee7a \u00e2m nh\u1ea1c: Pete Seeger v\u00e0 Bruce Springsteen | unionavenue706\" \/><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \">But as seen by the hubbub over her paintings of activists and public figures, Baez keeps getting pulled back into the spotlight. Start with the\u00a0Bob Dylan\u00a0biopic,\u00a0<em>A Complete Unknown,<\/em>\u00a0which thrust her fraught, long-ago relationship with Dylan (played by Timoth\u00e9e Chalamet) back into the spotlight. Monica Barbaro\u2019s largely spot-on performance introduced Baez, her music, and her folk-Madonna image to a generation born decades later. And then there is, once more, Trump. When\u00a0<em>Rolling Stone<\/em>\u00a0last visited Baez here, he had just been elected president for the first time. Now that he\u2019s returned to the White House,\u00a0more disruptive and alarming\u00a0than before, Baez has again found herself at rallies and released a new protest song, \u201cOne in a Million,\u201d with fellow veteran troubadour Janis Ian.\u00a0Baez is also helping devise a name for a new organization she\u2019s joining that would provide support for families of immigrants whose breadwinners have been scooped up and imprisoned by ICE agents, and she posts words of wisdom on her social media accounts, including\u00a0Facebook. (Observing a newborn songbird in her driveway, she writes, \u201cHer beauty itself will offer us hope in the darkness and deliver us from all that is evil.\u201d)<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/videos.openai.com\/vg-assets\/assets%2Ftask_01jxxvfdqrfwd8warxzx5w20ht%2F1750127454_img_1.webp?st=2025-06-17T00%3A50%3A13Z&amp;se=2025-06-23T01%3A50%3A13Z&amp;sks=b&amp;skt=2025-06-17T00%3A50%3A13Z&amp;ske=2025-06-23T01%3A50%3A13Z&amp;sktid=a48cca56-e6da-484e-a814-9c849652bcb3&amp;skoid=8ebb0df1-a278-4e2e-9c20-f2d373479b3a&amp;skv=2019-02-02&amp;sv=2018-11-09&amp;sr=b&amp;sp=r&amp;spr=https%2Chttp&amp;sig=F6GryGqb6Mp35B5hlIc%2BSZblUkh%2BCpDE6eiuP6UgHbg%3D&amp;az=oaivgprodscus\" alt=\"Generated image\" width=\"922\" height=\"615\" \/><\/p>\n<section class=\"brands-most-popular \/\/ editors-pick-module lrv-u-margin-tb-2 lrv-u-border-a-2 u-box-shadow-5-5 lrv-u-padding-lr-1 a-span1 u-padding-b-1@tablet u-overflow-hidden\">\n<div class=\"o-card-classes lrv-u-flex@tablet a-children-border-width-2 u-margin-t-0875@tablet a-children-border-vertical@mobile-max a-children-border-horizontal@tablet lrv-u-margin-b-00\">\n<div class=\"o-card lrv-u-align-items-start u-padding-lr-075@tablet lrv-u-flex lrv-u-height-auto lrv-u-flex-basis-100p@desktop-xl lrv-u-flex-basis-100p@desktop u-flex-direction-row@desktop lrv-u-padding-tb-075 lrv-u-padding-tb-1@mobile-max lrv-u-padding-tb-00@desktop-xl u-border-t-00@desktop-xl lrv-u-height-auto lrv-a-unstyle-inner-links\">\n<div class=\"c-lazy-image lrv-u-border-a-2 u-width-35p@mobile-max\">\n<div class=\"lrv-a-crop-3x2\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/section>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \">But as Baez admits, both today at her home and in a follow-up interview, she is also entering a new and challenging world. Brewing up a fresh pot of coffee, Baez, in a black turtleneck with her hair in a silver bob, settles in at her kitchen table. \u201cThis is an interesting time,\u201d she says, \u201cbecause I\u2019ve never been here before.\u201d<\/p>\n<div class=\"post-content-image \/\/ \">\n<figure class=\"o-figure size-large alignnone lrv-u-max-width-100p\">\n<div class=\"c-lazy-image lrv-u-border-a-2\">\n<div class=\"lrv-a-crop-16x9\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"c-lazy-image__img lrv-u-background-color-grey-lightest lrv-u-width-100p lrv-u-display-block lrv-u-height-auto\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/DSCF4065-copy.jpg?w=819\" alt=\"\" width=\"819\" height=\"1024\" data-lazy-loaded=\"1\" \/><\/div>\n<\/div><figcaption class=\"c-figcaption lrv-u-flex lrv-u-flex-direction-column lrv-u-align-items-center\"><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \"><strong>When we last talked here, it was right after Donald Trump\u2019s 2016 election. Who would have thought we\u2019d be here again?<\/strong><br \/>\nSurprised the shit out of me. Nobody could have dreamed this up. Nobody could have predicted that it would turn into what it\u2019s turned into, because that\u2019s for\u00a0<em>other<\/em>\u00a0countries, the \u201cshithole countries.\u201d This is turning into a shithole country because of them. It\u2019s all the evil things that shithole countries do. On the other hand, we\u2019ve all sort of known that the Heritage Foundation has been plugging away and making plans, and we just weren\u2019t prepared.<\/p>\n<section class=\"brands-most-popular \/\/ recirculation-modules lrv-u-margin-tb-2 lrv-u-border-a-2 u-box-shadow-5-5 lrv-u-padding-lr-1 a-span1 u-padding-b-1@tablet u-overflow-hidden\">\n<h2 id=\"section-heading\" class=\"c-heading larva lrv-u-text-align-center u-border-color-black a-font-theme-primary-xxs lrv-u-color-black lrv-u-text-transform-uppercase u-letter-spacing-0063 lrv-u-padding-t-050 u-padding-b-0375@tablet lrv-u-padding-b-050@mobile-max lrv-u-border-b-2\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/rs-161029-seeger-624-1390922939.jpg?w=624&amp;h=420&amp;crop=1\" alt=\"Pete Seeger song ca v\u1edbi Bruce Springsteen\" \/><\/h2>\n<\/section>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \"><strong>Where were you on election night when you heard the results?<\/strong><br \/>\nOh, here. I didn\u2019t hear the results. I saw my neighbor\u2019s face. I knew it was a disaster. But the truth is it\u2019s been in the works for 50 years. It\u2019s not even about Trump. He just turned out to be this wizard of a disgusting human being who gives people the right to do what he does.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \"><strong>Is there anything in particular this administration has done that has really shocked you?\u00a0<\/strong><br \/>\nIn the first 100 days, sending people like that [<em>snaps fingers<\/em>] to prisons known for torture. All the work I did in Chile, Argentina, Brazil, and the Eastern Bloc, and it\u2019s the same mechanism, with all the ruthlessness and the steps to the dictatorship.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/static01.nyt.com\/images\/2012\/01\/15\/arts\/15AMNESTY_SPAN\/15AMNESTY2-articleLarge.jpg?quality=75&amp;auto=webp&amp;disable=upscale\" alt=\"Album 4 CD g\u00e2y qu\u1ef9 t\u1eeb thi\u1ec7n c\u1ee7a T\u1ed5 ch\u1ee9c \u00c2n x\u00e1 Qu\u1ed1c t\u1ebf g\u1ed3m c\u00e1c b\u00e0i h\u00e1t c\u1ee7a Dylan - The New York Times\" \/><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \">I\u2019m worried about the speed at which they\u2019re doing it and where they\u2019re going, and the horrible cruelty that takes place every day. I really appreciated Bruce Springsteen repeating \u201cIt\u2019s happening\u00a0<em>now<\/em>\u201d [during his\u00a0concerts in the U.K.]. Because you tend to say, \u201cOh, it\u2019s going to be a rough four years.\u201d No, it\u2019s now.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.nydailynews.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/migration\/2009\/07\/30\/ZIHFFPBEB5QFTIKHMDU3MDMZDI.jpg?w=535\" alt=\"C\u00e1c ng\u00f4i sao ch\u00e0o m\u1eebng sinh nh\u1eadt l\u1ea7n th\u1ee9 90 c\u1ee7a Seeger, v\u00ec Pete \u2013 New York Daily News\" \/><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \"><strong>How often do you watch the news?<\/strong><br \/>\nWhen I was retired from touring, I thought, \u201cI\u2019ll watch once in a while.\u201d But it wasn\u2019t like this. So, I dole it out. I read Substack and watch Stephen Colbert, Jon Stewart, and John Oliver. And then I\u2019ll turn on a movie like\u00a0<em>Twilight<\/em>. Just terrible. But it\u2019s wonderful to watch. It\u2019s got nothing to do with fucking anything.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"YouTube video player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/uX4CPoltSUo?si=tE1ahxug1NQ74jv9\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\" data-mce-fragment=\"1\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \"><strong>Do you take any\u2014<\/strong><br \/>\nDrugs?\u00a0 [<em>Laughs.<\/em>]<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"pullquote larva \/\/ lrv-a-font-theme-primary lrv-u-border-b-2 lrv-u-border-t-2 lrv-u-margin-a-00 lrv-u-text-align-center u-font-size-60 u-line-height-56 u-padding-b-175 u-padding-t-175 u-padding-lr-2@tablet lrv-a-font-secondary-xxl \"><p>\u201cCourage Is a Funny thing \u2026 It\u2019s Being Willing to Do Stuff, Even if You\u2019re Scared.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \"><strong>Well, that, but also consolation in some of the pushback Trump has received from the courts.<\/strong><br \/>\nYou have to take some heart in that. My beautiful granddaughter Jasmine is a singer-songwriter but decided she wanted to be a lawyer. She\u2019ll be going to law school in August, and I\u2019m thinking, \u201cWhat a time!\u201d She wants to be a constitutional lawyer. We\u2019re not going to\u00a0<em>have<\/em>\u00a0a fucking Constitution very likely. So, all I can do with my son and my granddaughter is walk through this day by day and encourage her to do what she\u2019s doing.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \"><strong>I was just listening to your performance at Woodstock, where you told the crowd about the federal agents showing up at your and your ex-husband and activist David Harris\u2019 home to arrest him for resisting the draft. You even had a party to send him off. In terms of that kind of arrest, does anything happening now remind you of that moment?<\/strong><br \/>\nYou know, it\u2019s so different now that I can\u2019t even make that connection.\u00a0People say, \u201cIs this like the Sixties?\u201d I say the Sixties was a garden party. For some people, it wasn\u2019t. Some people really got hurt. But this now is a machine.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \"><strong>In your second memoir, you wrote about the impact of hearing Martin Luther King speak. Is there anybody these days who\u2019s inspired you in the same way?<\/strong><br \/>\nThe Rev. William Barber came to dinner the other night; he\u2019s a pal. He has the spirit of God within him, and he\u2019s determined to spread it. We\u2019re looking into this avalanche, and you [have to] stand up like when he went in the Capitol rotunda the other day and got himself arrested. He was praying in there, and he just said, \u201cI had to do it.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \"><strong>What about\u00a0Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez?\u00a0\u00a0<\/strong><br \/>\nShe\u2019s good. Smart. And I think she probably put herself on the line, but on the line\u00a0<em>now<\/em>.\u2026 I used to encourage people, \u201cCome with us. We get arrested, whatever.\u201d But it\u2019s just so dangerous. Taking a risk now could be standing on the corner in a T-shirt that says \u201cI\u2019m an illegal immigrant.\u201d I\u2019ve never experienced this kind of fear. I wasn\u2019t afraid when I went to jail back then. I\u2019ve been to places where I should have been scared:\u00a0Vietnam, the South, Ku Klux Klan.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \"><strong>Why weren\u2019t you scared then?<\/strong><br \/>\nDenial and the need to push on, which was stronger than worrying. I was afraid sometimes, but courage is a funny thing. It\u2019s not because somebody\u2019s born courageous \u2014 it\u2019s because you\u2019re willing to do stuff, even if you\u2019re scared. To give you an idea of how dark I can get now, my darkest joke is: The good news about climate change is that if it gets us first, Trump won\u2019t have time to build his death camps.\u00a0And you laugh, except he will. He\u2019s moving so fast, my joke isn\u2019t even funny.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \"><strong>One of the concerns now is that any protests could lead Trump to send in the military, resulting in a declaration of martial law.<\/strong><br \/>\nHe\u2019s dying to have something. Nothing could make it easier for them, because we can\u2019t compete. Anybody who seriously thinks they can make social change with violence is really innocent. No, you get squashed. [Editor\u2019s note: This interview was conducted prior to the\u00a0ongoing L.A. protests.]<\/p>\n<div class=\"post-content-image \/\/ \">\n<figure class=\"o-figure size-large alignnone lrv-u-max-width-100p\">\n<div class=\"c-lazy-image lrv-u-border-a-2\">\n<div class=\"lrv-a-crop-16x9\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"c-lazy-image__img lrv-u-background-color-grey-lightest lrv-u-width-100p lrv-u-display-block lrv-u-height-auto\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/DSCF3827-copy.jpg?w=819\" alt=\"\" width=\"819\" height=\"1024\" data-lazy-loaded=\"1\" \/><\/div>\n<\/div><figcaption class=\"c-figcaption lrv-u-flex lrv-u-flex-direction-column lrv-u-align-items-center\"><cite class=\"lrv-u-text-transform-uppercase lrv-a-font-body-xs lrv-u-margin-t-050 lrv-u-text-align-center\">Ulysses Ortega for Rolling Stone<\/cite><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \"><strong>Have you had moments when you\u2019ve thought everything you and others fought for in the Sixties has been dismantled?<\/strong><br \/>\nI don\u2019t spend a lot of time worrying about the fact that things are sliding backward. Things don\u2019t ever stay where you want them to be. Havel\u2019s government, Mandela: Those are wonderful, amazing people, and they do this wonderful, amazing stuff, and it lasts sometimes for a good amount of time, and then somebody fucks it up.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \">We have to remember what\u2019s sewn into the fabric of America. I keep picturing the Blacks and whites at the lunch counter in Mississippi. Those were enormous acts of courage, and they changed things, and that\u2019s the commitment we need now. So in the midst of this, it feels like torn fabric.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \"><strong>Maybe there will be a pendulum swing in the other direction like there was with Reagan after Carter, or Trump after Obama.<br \/>\n<\/strong>[<em>Soberly<\/em>] This is different. I don\u2019t know how you make up for what\u2019s already been done.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \"><strong>You\u2019ve sung at a few anti-Trump, pro-democracy rallies. What was it like performing again?<\/strong><br \/>\nI have a lower register that I refused to accept because I couldn\u2019t be my famous soprano anymore. So, I quit singing. But somewhere in there is the voice. I\u2019ve dipped into the lower range and have found the songs that work for it.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \"><strong>Which songs can you still sing?<\/strong><br \/>\nI can make different things work, like \u201cImagine\u201d and all the Civil Rights songs. \u201cWe Shall Overcome\u201d is a beautiful song, but it takes us so far back. There has to be something fresher than that.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \"><strong>We really aren\u2019t hearing many new protest songs these days.<\/strong><br \/>\nI wouldn\u2019t want to be a part of a movement without the music, but you\u2019re right. What we need is an anthem, but it\u2019s impossible to write an anthem.\u00a0\u201cOne in a Million\u201d\u00a0comes closest, but you can\u2019t drag that out of nothing. It has to come from somewhere else. \u201cImagine\u201d is still so beautiful. The Dylan stuff is still internationally known, and it doesn\u2019t have the same sort of thing for me that \u201cWe Shall Overcome\u201d does. Way back then, I had the brains to know we were not going to overcome everything and have world peace. Now, it\u2019s even more so.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \"><strong>In your poetry collection\u00a0<em>When You See My Mother, Ask Her to Dance,<\/em>\u00a0you wrote, in a piece about Dylan, \u201cWho\u2019s writing that kind of stuff today, Mister Creator?\u201d<\/strong><br \/>\nI asked Josh Ritter to write a song, and he wrote one called \u201cI Carry the Flame,\u201d which comes closest to a marching, Pete Seeger sort of folk song. I sang it a little at the May 1 demonstration [in Mountain View, California]. But we need more of those, and Janis\u2019 \u201cOne in a Million.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \"><strong>Have you listened to\u00a0Jesse Welles, the politically outspoken troubadour from the South?<\/strong><br \/>\nThe young guy. Just amazing. That\u2019s going somewhere. Gotta harness that little kid. How old is he?<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"pullquote larva \/\/ lrv-a-font-theme-primary lrv-u-border-b-2 lrv-u-border-t-2 lrv-u-margin-a-00 lrv-u-text-align-center u-font-size-60 u-line-height-56 u-padding-b-175 u-padding-t-175 u-padding-lr-2@tablet lrv-a-font-secondary-xxl \"><p>\u201cWe have to remember what\u2019s sewn into the fabric of America.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \"><strong>He\u2019s 30. What impressed you about his songs?<\/strong><br \/>\nIt\u2019s real. It\u2019s just coming out. He\u2019s channeling that sort of stuff. It just comes through you. That\u2019s what I saw, anyway.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \"><strong>Do you keep up with modern female singer-songwriters?<\/strong><br \/>\nI listen to whatever my granddaughter sends me. I got to liking\u00a0Lana Del Rey\u00a0quite a bit.\u00a0Chappell Roan\u00a0I liked. When my son Gabe and Jasmine and I are together, we play Lana and Hozier on a loop on the long trip up and down the coast. I\u2019m friends with Lana. Don\u2019t forget to mention my crush on Hozier. Take me to church with that bad boy.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \"><strong>How did you come to know Lana?<\/strong><br \/>\nOut of the blue, she asked me if I would be interested in singing at her show at the Greek Theatre. And I thought, \u201cWhere the fuck is\u00a0<em>this<\/em>\u00a0coming from?\u201d I had no idea. I was joking with her and said, \u201cYour audiences are all 16 years old. They don\u2019t know me.\u201d She said, \u201cWell, they should.\u201d That\u2019s a risk for a young songwriter, because if they say \u201c<em>Ta da<\/em>\u00a0\u2014 Joan Baez!\u201d one third of their public is not going to know what she\u2019s talking about. But they take that risk anyway. Taylor [Swift, who invited Baez onstage in 2015] did the same thing. Some of Lana\u2019s-age folks called me \u201cbadass,\u201d which I thought was fantastic. She\u2019s an interesting woman. She\u2019s slightly on another planet, but I appreciate that and her and her music.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \"><strong>What\u2019s the story behind Lana\u2019s mention of you in\u00a0\u201cDance Till We Die\u201d:\u00a0\u201cI\u2019m coverin\u2019 Joni and dancin\u2019 with Joan\u201d?\u00a0<\/strong><br \/>\nShe came up to hang out, and we had dinner and then went off to this\u00a0 Senegalese club in San Francisco where I\u2019ve danced for years. She didn\u2019t dance. Her sister danced. She was very, very shy, actually, in some ways. I did the dancing for her. She gave me a beautiful necklace, a little gold thing with \u201cJoanie\u201d on it.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \"><strong>A couple of years ago, a mini controversy emerged over \u201cThe Night They Drove Old Dixie Down,\u201d the Robbie Robertson song that was one of your biggest hits. Since it was narrated by a white Southerner during the Civil War, some\u00a0questioned\u00a0whether it should be rewritten or canceled. What did you make of that?<\/strong><br \/>\nI was thinking about that this morning when I played \u201cOne in a Million\u201d for Karen O\u2019Connor, my director friend. She said, \u201cLet me listen to the words again.\u201d I thought, \u201cJesus, I don\u2019t even listen to the words to stuff.\u201d It\u2019s a feeling, and the feeling with \u201cDixie\u201d was the same. I didn\u2019t know what it was saying. I just thought it was wonderful. It\u2019s like the stuff I do in foreign languages. Once I get the syllables down, I don\u2019t even know what I\u2019m saying, and it doesn\u2019t make any difference.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \">\u201cDixie\u201d wasn\u2019t in demand, but if somebody wanted to hear it and I felt like singing it, I would have done it. I got to be politically correct in the right place [<em>smiles<\/em>]. I knew at some point somebody was going to make an issue of it. But who cares? Who gives a shit? Wonderful song.<\/p>\n<div class=\"post-content-image \/\/ \">\n<figure class=\"o-figure size-large alignnone lrv-u-max-width-100p\">\n<div class=\"c-lazy-image lrv-u-border-a-2\">\n<div class=\"lrv-a-crop-16x9\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"c-lazy-image__img lrv-u-background-color-grey-lightest lrv-u-width-100p lrv-u-display-block lrv-u-height-auto\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/DSCF4085-copy.jpg?w=819\" alt=\"\" width=\"819\" height=\"1024\" data-lazy-loaded=\"1\" \/><\/div>\n<\/div><figcaption class=\"c-figcaption lrv-u-flex lrv-u-flex-direction-column lrv-u-align-items-center\"><cite class=\"lrv-u-text-transform-uppercase lrv-a-font-body-xs lrv-u-margin-t-050 lrv-u-text-align-center\">Ulysses Ortega for Rolling Stone<\/cite><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \"><strong>Speaking of protest singers, when did you first hear about a\u00a0 movie called\u00a0<em>A Complete Unknown<\/em>?<\/strong><br \/>\nI heard a lot of talk about it. I guess I thought, \u201cI don\u2019t know what this is going to be, whether it would be right or a bunch of nonsense.\u201d As it moved along, I thought, \u201cPeople are getting serious about this thing. It\u2019s going to be a real movie.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \"><strong>Did anyone from the film or the Dylan camp reach out, especially since you\u2019re a character in it?<\/strong><br \/>\nAre you kidding? I reached out to\u00a0<em>them,<\/em>\u00a0to the actors: \u201cWould they like to talk to me?\u201d So, Monica called, and then Ed Norton. They both had long conversations with me. Monica said, \u201cIf you like it, please tell me. But don\u2019t tell me if you didn\u2019t like it.\u201d I said, \u201cListen, if we don\u2019t like it, we\u2019ll throw popcorn at the screen, but I think we\u2019ll probably like it.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \"><strong>So, you didn\u2019t hear from Dylan directly?<\/strong><br \/>\nCome on. You\u2019ve worked for\u00a0<em>Rolling Stone<\/em>\u00a0long enough to know the answer to that. [<em>Goes into Dylan imitation<\/em>] \u201cHey, Joanie, guess what, we\u2019re doin\u2019 this.\u201d Silly question.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \"><strong>When did you see it?\u00a0<\/strong><br \/>\nWell, I didn\u2019t go on Christmas Day [when the movie opened]. But sometime during that week, with my group of all women that started with my mom. [The movie people] asked if I wanted to see it privately. I didn\u2019t.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \"><strong>What was the experience like, seeing it for the first time?<\/strong><br \/>\nPeople in my camp, they\u2019re outraged, and they\u2019re fact-checking. And I said, \u201cDon\u2019t bother.\u201d It\u2019s a fun movie. Certainly got a feeling of the Village, but I never lived in the Village. The only time was that short period of time with Bob. And it wasn\u2019t the Chelsea Hotel, it was the Earle. But details, details, see what I mean? Someone said, \u201cDid you really do that to Bob?\u201d [<em>Flashes a middle finger.<\/em>] I said, \u201cNo, I did this.\u201d [<em>Flashes both middle fingers.<\/em>]\u00a0But I was pleased they were getting the feeling right. The music was brilliant. I thought Chalamet did a good job. He was a bit too squeaky clean. I could have clued him in on that one.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \"><strong>Meaning that in his depiction, Bob didn\u2019t look dirty enough?<\/strong><br \/>\nThat is correct. But then, that was part of the charm, I\u2019m sure. The unwashed phenomenon.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \"><strong>What did they get right about Bob?<\/strong><br \/>\nOh, a lot. A lot of the movement, facial movement, talking, even some of the singing. The attitude. I mean, a\u00a0<em>bad<\/em>\u00a0attitude.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"pullquote larva \/\/ lrv-a-font-theme-primary lrv-u-border-b-2 lrv-u-border-t-2 lrv-u-margin-a-00 lrv-u-text-align-center u-font-size-60 u-line-height-56 u-padding-b-175 u-padding-t-175 u-padding-lr-2@tablet lrv-a-font-secondary-xxl \"><p>\u201cEnjoying Yourself Has Become an Act of Resistance \u2026 We\u2019re Supposed to Be Cowering.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \"><strong>How about the depiction of you?<\/strong><br \/>\nSome of the shots from behind of Monica and Dylan look startlingly like me. People said her speaking voice was really [close to mine]. She worked like mad to get it right. She even had this down [<em>kneads her fingers together<\/em>]. Dumb things like my nervous tic. I saw her at a press thing and called her and said, \u201cIs that something you do, or is that something you picked up for me?\u201d And she said she had picked it up from watching me.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \"><strong>Chalamet seemed to get Dylan\u2019s own jittery hand gestures.<\/strong><br \/>\n[<em>Nods, then bends a thumb far back.<\/em>] Bob has a thumb that goes like that. Not everybody\u2019s going to have that. Somebody told me that the thumb bent back like that means you\u2019re a murderer [<em>laughs<\/em>].<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \"><strong>The movie also seemed to make a triangle out of you, Bob, and Suze Rotolo, but historically speaking most of us assumed it all didn\u2019t overlap that way.<\/strong><br \/>\nWell, it wasn\u2019t happening in my face. I thought I was after Suze Rotolo, but I don\u2019t even know. I didn\u2019t ask. Don\u2019t ask, don\u2019t tell. I think that, from what I\u2019ve heard, they really didn\u2019t do her justice at all. But I\u2019m glad Bobby Neuwirth was in it. And funny old [Albert] Grossman. [Actor Dan Fogler] looked like Grossman.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \"><strong>More than 60 years later, what still fascinates people about you and Bob?<\/strong><br \/>\nIf you look me up and Google me, there\u2019s maybe one thing on me, and then it\u2019s directly to \u201cJoan Baez and Bob Dylan.\u201d I had a great gift the other day. A 23-year-old girl who is an assistant at one of the clinics where I went was just finding out about me. She said, \u201cYou\u2019re famous!\u201d I said, \u201cMeh \u2026 Google me.\u201d Then she says [<em>indicating a photo of Dylan<\/em>], \u201cWho\u2019s this guy?\u201d And I said, \u201cThank you.\u201d Then I decided to explain who it was. If you\u2019re in a room with Bob, anywhere with Bob, you\u2019re diminished automatically. But there are worse people to be glued at the hip to.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \"><strong>In a recent interview, you talked about writing Dylan a personal letter that expressed your feelings. Then you sent it to him \u2014 but intentionally didn\u2019t include a return address nor any way to contact you.<\/strong><br \/>\nThat was about 10 years ago when I wrote that. I was painting him down in my little studio, when he was really, really young. Had to be 21 or something. And I put on a record of his music, and I started to cry. And I cried forever and painted, and it washed it all away. Then it was done. There\u2019s no more resentment. I was lucky enough to have him in my life and have those songs and have the voice to sing them. Gratitude was taking the place of frustration and hurt and bullshit.<\/p>\n<div class=\"post-content-image \/\/ \">\n<figure class=\"o-figure size-large alignnone lrv-u-max-width-100p\">\n<div class=\"c-lazy-image lrv-u-border-a-2\">\n<div class=\"lrv-a-crop-16x9\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"c-lazy-image__img lrv-u-background-color-grey-lightest lrv-u-width-100p lrv-u-display-block lrv-u-height-auto\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/DSCF4006-copy.jpg?w=819\" alt=\"\" width=\"819\" height=\"1024\" data-lazy-loaded=\"1\" \/><\/div>\n<\/div><figcaption class=\"c-figcaption lrv-u-flex lrv-u-flex-direction-column lrv-u-align-items-center\"><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \"><strong>What did you write?<\/strong><strong><br \/>\n<\/strong>I just told him exactly what I told you. Very simple.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \"><strong>When I interviewed you in 2017, you said your name was at one point a \u201cjinx,\u201d especially in the early Eighties when you were without a record contract.<\/strong><br \/>\nNobody was interested in recording me. If we had made a demo of me and put on it \u201cyoung woman songwriter,\u201d we would have probably had more of a chance of being heard and taken seriously. In that sense, I was really hurting from being a legend, but not current.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \"><strong>Do you think the movie, which depicts you as pretty badass, will change that perception of you?\u00a0<\/strong><br \/>\nI hope so. I haven\u2019t paid a whole lot of attention to it, but I know it sparked a visibility on a certain level that hadn\u2019t been around.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \"><strong>It\u2019s been six years now since the last show of your farewell tour. Any regrets?<\/strong><br \/>\nAbsolutely not. I didn\u2019t know what to expect, because everybody says, \u201cOnce you quit, they go back out and go on.\u201d Elton [John] said to me, \u201cI just can\u2019t wait to be with my kids.\u201d And he\u2019s back on the road.\u2026 I can\u2019t remember the first show I saw after I\u2019d quit touring myself. But I thought, \u201cWell, this would be an interesting test.\u201d And I didn\u2019t miss it, not a bit. It was time. I mean, 10 nights at the Olympia \u2014 time to quit. Don\u2019t want to go back and do 20 [<em>laughs<\/em>].<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \"><strong>Two years ago, you were the subject of a documentary,\u00a0<em>I Am a Noise,<\/em>\u00a0in which you revealed you and your sister Mimi had dealt with sexual-abuse issues from your father. What made you go public?<\/strong><br \/>\nA combination of things. I was 79 when we started the movie, so how about an honest legacy and not make me try to look prettier than I am, or whatever it was? This is a life well-lived. It\u2019s interesting how many people have responded, and it\u2019s in the same way Trump allows people to be pigs. This [revelation] will allow people to maybe look in their past where they\u2019d have not been willing to look. One woman came up to me and said her mother was seventysomething and had been in tears. She said, \u201cMy mother talked about stuff she never talked to me about,\u201d meaning that kind of [abuse]. Karen [O\u2019Connor, the film\u2019s co-director] would say, \u201cEverybody\u2019s got something.\u201d And if you can identify your own or give them permission \u2026 that was one of the nice results that came from it.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \"><strong>What did you personally get out of having that out there publicly?<\/strong><br \/>\nIn some ways, I was relieved because I\u2019d spent so much of my life with people thinking, \u201cOh, she\u2019s so calm, so peaceful.\u201d And no! It was helpful for me to show that I have some idea of the battles I went through and how utterly imperfect I am in every way.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \"><strong>People do see you as unruffled.<\/strong><br \/>\nI do some serious ruffling on my own.<\/p>\n<p><strong>The film also explored your relationship with another woman, Kim Chappell, in the Sixties.<\/strong><br \/>\nNo one paid any attention to that [in the movie]. It\u2019s old hat. We certainly weren\u2019t going to say anything [in the Sixties]. We thought we were getting away with all this. Now, Jasmine has this friend of hers who just came out as bi, so everybody\u2019s having parties. Back when Kim and I were together, you didn\u2019t talk about it, but I think that it\u2019s almost the opposite. You get to be part of clubs or LGBTQ and women\u2019s rights. Now, it\u2019s like points.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \"><strong>As the Trump administration moves forward, what do you see as your role in terms of activism?<\/strong><br \/>\nI think my life will be defined now again by the state of this country in the world. I have encouraged people to not try and sit this one out. They have to go do something. How about showing up with a friend on a street corner wearing an \u201cI\u2019m an illegal immigrant\u201d T-shirt? Don\u2019t wait for 30,000 people to show up.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \">But I\u2019ll tell you my dilemma. In the old days, when I briefly went to jail, they\u2019d give you your meds, they have you make telephone calls. It wasn\u2019t a heavy-duty prison, but a lockup. Now, if I\u2019m in that position of civil disobedience, I have a problem encouraging people if I\u2019m not going to go to jail with them. Like most people my age, I would be useless without the medication I take on a regular basis.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \"><strong>What advice do you typically find people ask you for?<\/strong><br \/>\nIt\u2019s universal: \u201cWhat can I do?\u201d My answer is, find something that calls you that\u2019s not going to be big-scale. The next time you hear yourself say, \u201cI\u2019m overwhelmed,\u201d follow it with \u201cand.\u201d \u201cI\u2019m overwhelmed,\u00a0<em>and<\/em>\u00a0I need to do something.\u201d Even \u201cI\u2019m scared to death,\u00a0<em>and<\/em>\u00a0I\u2019m going to have a margarita.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \">There\u2019ll be little victories, and hang on to them and keep doing them, and we\u2019ll see what develops. I really am an advocate of just keep doing it and don\u2019t expect it to change the world. Just show your face now. Stand up. Show up.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy lrv-a-font-body-l \">Enjoying yourself has become an act of resistance. Action is the antidote to despair. We\u2019re supposed to be cowering. I went to my granddaughter\u2019s graduation in Miami, and I ended up dancing with drag queens. I thought, \u201cOK, this is how we do it.\u201d You get nuts. Drink a lot. I went to a strip club. That was my statement for the week. Dance with a big, lascivious drag queen and post it. It\u2019s good trouble dancing with drag queens, because they want to abolish drag scenes. I\u2019m sure [Trump would] like to abolish\u00a0<em>me,<\/em>\u00a0but I hope I will have earned that if it reaches that point.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<aside class=\"featured-article-sidebar sticky-sidebar-container lrv-a-space-children-vertical lrv-a-space-children--2 lrv-u-margin-b-2@mobile-max lrv-u-height-100p\">\n<p class=\"lrv-u-margin-t-00 lrv-u-margin-b-025\"><span class=\"lrv-a-font-body-xs lrv-u-display-table lrv-u-text-align-center lrv-u-text-transform-uppercase lrv-u-width-100p\">Hair and Makeup by Lee Stewart. First assistant\/Cam Op: Ethan Redfield. 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