He’s played Survivor twice and gotten to the end twice, but Joe Hunter simply can’t get any jury love. The fire caption turned Tyler Perry action star once again made it all the way to the end on Survivor 50 but could not get a single jury vote, losing to Aubry Bracco and Jonathan Young by a 8-3-0 vote. It was a jury Joe believes already had their mind made up before they walked onto the Tribal Council set.

Why wasn’t this jury picking up what Joe was putting down? How does he feel about Cirie Fields saying he needed so much managing that he had to be put on a ‘Joetation’? And which vote surprised him the most? We asked Joe all that and more and you can watch or read the entire interview below.

JOE HUNTER: This is no joke. I always try to keep it as real as I can with everyone. I sit down in that chair for final Tribal, right? And I’m thinking: All right, here we go. And right away, I mean, the second before any word was said, I went: Oh, that one hates me, this one hates me, hate me, hate me, hate me, hate me. And I thought: Man, there’s zero chance.

I thought maybe there was a few, and I’ll give credit to  Emily, Rick Devens, Christian, Dee — there were some people that you could tell that were truly just trying to make this, “Hey, let me hear what you have to say.” And anyone else could say what they want. So to answer your question directly, I just felt it was very transparent based on the questions and responses that before this thing started, I think it was a wrap.

And votes surprise you?

You know, I talked to one. I wanna keep it clean. There was one person that for sure just working together, I thought the vote would go a different way. The rest I really did think, which maybe I was being naive again because that’s on me. I did think some things that had been done in the game and did I think I’d get a vote? Yeah. I thought I’d get a vote. But to sit there confidently and say win? No, I didn’t think that either. So that’s where I stood with it.

You laid out the case that you made it all the way to the end twice, with only one vote ever cast against you. Those are so damn solid stats, so why do you think the jury ultimately wasn’t buying what you were selling?

That’s a great question, Dalton. I prepared for a lot of them, but not that one. Here’s what I’ll say. I have very strong feelings about that, but, you know, the athlete in me, the person that I am says it’s my fault. So at the end of the day, it must have been something that I didn’t do or something that I didn’t say or didn’t do in the game that didn’t spark their results. If you have anyone that analyzes a game professionally like my wife does for the NBA — you know, if they already called the score before you shoot a basket, the game’s hacked. But I will say this…. You know, I’ll leave it at that.

Let’s say you get don’t drop that ball and Aubry does not make the final three,. What do you think happens with the vote?

Man, that’s a tough question. You know, I’ll say this: Jonathan played an outstanding game and I think that other people in the game can also say that Aubry played a great game too. I just think that this is why Survivor is so challenging is you’re asking people to have a non-emotional, strictly analytical evaluation of the game and it just takes a special person to do that.

What do you make of what Cirie referred to as the “Joetation” and that idea that you had to be babysat and managed in the game?

You know, I made it a point to, like, I’m never gonna throw, hate at anyone. I thought long and hard about this exit press. I had a lot of things to say about people and I thought: I’m gonna handle this how I always wanted to handle it.  And this is what I’ll say with that particular comment: I’m not gonna comment on the first part of it. I’m just not, but I’ll say this: When I’m talking to a friend who’s someone I genuinely view as a friend, I’m gonna be vulnerable with you. I’m gonna complain.Like there’s people in my life that I’m just going to do what I need to do. I’m gonna tell you every truth that I can.

If you’re an enemy or someone that’s not a friend to me, I’m gonna give you, “Nope, yep, the game is going great.” I’m gonna give you the buffer answer, right? And that’s what I’ll say with that is: Hey, had I known things that I said to a couple people as I’m just venting to an honest, what I thought friend is different than me. I’m trying to build a relationship, and I’m trying to then make sure that the game is gonna be the game.

This is not about you can’t lie, cheat, or steal, or it’s Survivor. It’s about the differences in an alliance or you think you’re in an alliance. If you’re sharing venting moments, “What about this? What about that? I don’t know this.” If you know that it’s gonna be used against you, the answer is like, “How’s the game going, Joe?” “Great.” “How are things?” “Fine.” “How’s everything else?” “Good.” And it’s not gonna be used against me. But if it’s turned into babysitting with two particular people or a group of people, then it’s like: “Hey, I just put that vulnerability in the wrong hands. You know, I mean? That’s really what it is. And that’s part of the game. So that’s how I feel about that.

How do you feel about the edit you got?

I hate and will never blame the edit or talk about the edit because I love those people so much that do this show and I love Survivor so much, but I’ll tell you this: Obviously, it’s not a documentary and that’s what I want people to realize. It’s not a documentary. Other players that are really smart understand that and chime into that or wait to see things and then comment.

There’s no way that they can film every single minute and they do an outstanding job and they protect all of us. They help all of us. They do their best to tell an accurate story. And what I mean by that is they’re not lying, they’re not doing things that are out of pocket, they’re just trying to tell an accurate story.

So when I think about the edit, I just take full accountability for I would’ve done a lot of things different. So I’m really grateful for them showing the things that they did, giving me the grace that they did, and I just love them. I love the people that put all their heart and soul into this show.

I know how competitive you are and you looked pissed after that last immunity challenge. Pissed at yourself. What was going on there in terms of processing that defeat?

You know, you hit it all. I think people don’t understand like a division 1 athlete, and you try to go pro when you do these things and I don’t think people realize that level of competition. And for some reason it’s also hated at times. But in that moment, four balls won 48, We get to five for a while, and you lose and it’s like, man. it isn’t about, Aubry winning as much as the control that the win gives you. That’s what that was. And to be honest with you, I’m just so competitive. If people only knew how competitive I really am . People always talk. There’s another person on the show that’s like, “Oh, I’m competitive.” You have no idea how competitive I am. So, yeah, that was a rough one.

Finally, what was it like getting to see Eva again last night at the finale?

You know, that was awesome. What’s hard in all this is you lose track of people at times. And it’s nothing deeper than that. It’s just, you know, 20 years age gap, east coast versus west coast, kids, all these things. I’m always plucking away at what she’s doing and she’s plucking away at what I’m doing and anytime I see that human it almost makes me cry. She’s just a beautiful person and I’m so thankful for what we shared.